Got into a really good conversation on marital submission on Facebook. Great comments and some honest penetrating questions. I know that when we get into such discussions, the conversation can get a little testy, and the inclination is often to gravitate towards being “nice”, to ameliorate the tone. But I’m not at all convinced that nice is always helpful when we’re dealing with subjects that only exist because of our hard-heartedness in the first place. So with that in mind, allow me to give some blunt news for both sexes. Ladies first!
Wives, submission to your husband is only necessary because of Eve’s sin; it was never required of humanity to submit to other humans before sin entered the picture, nor do requirements of this type seem to apply to societal or governmental leadership (Judges 4:4), spiritual giftedness (Acts 2), or spiritual effectiveness, but because of the nature OF that sin, it does exist within the marriage relationship. Since leadership in the Church is an outgrowth of one’s leadership in the home (1Tim. 3:5), it also affects us there too. In 1Tim. 2:11-15 (a very difficult passage to swallow I know), Paul twice refers back to Gen. 3 regarding both the order of creation, as well as Eve’s submission as a consequence of her sin. It is then, of course, only natural that women should want to be free from that consequence, but here’s the problem – what would a woman say (even in the age of grace) about a man who didn’t want to work because it was Adam’s punishment for sin, and since we’re under Christ now, he shouldn’t have to? We recognize that sin is defeated, but not disposed of (Romans 8:23), and as we humble ourselves under the Word of God, even when it’s difficult, we declare our trust in Christ that He will bring all things to perfection, just as He said He would, and that we don’t have to make it happen by our own efforts. Another difficult passage (1Cor. 7:1), where Paul seems to say that men are better off without a woman, is difficult to receive because we’re viewing it through a 21st century lens. But it’s much easier to understand when you recognize that Christians were facing daily persecution (as Paul refers to in v. 26), which would have placed their wives in grave danger regularly. Having to be concerned for a wife (think Peter watching his wife being crucified!) certainly makes following Christ more difficult. On the other hand place yourself in the mid 1st century and recognize how radical it was that Paul was suggesting that men and women are sexual equals in marriage, and that the “husband’s body belongs to his wife”, as he states just a few verses later. Paul was no misogynist, but he didn’t allow (as was often the case) the difficulty of what he was teaching to dictate whether he would teach it or not. Let me speak a little tough truth here. Peter later would refer to Paul’s teachings as being distorted by “ignorant and unstable” people (2Peter 3:16), and that’s no different now. Many would get around the tough pills of scripture by dismissing or labeling the writer. But what does that say about the inspiration of scripture? Are we really ready to say that God allowed error into the Word, or that He made a poor choice in selecting Paul as an author? Let’s be honest, people who do that are simply trying to blame God, but with plausible deniability (“I’m not mad at YOU God”, it’s that idiot Paul!”). Just be careful, because what if God really meant what He said? See what happens? It brings us right back to the old “Did God really say” temptation, which is precisely what got us into this mess in the first place. We know that strategy worked well with Eve – do you think Satan hung it up after that incident? Look, we know in Heaven there will be no gender issues, but let’s not commit the sin of Abram (Gen. 16) and try to help God do what He already said He would do. It’s our own problem and our own fault that there are such problems here on earth (not Paul’s and not God’s), but persevering under them in faith is a sign of our trust in Christ. It’s not about what we get on earth (see my last blog entry), it’s about what God’s doing to prepare us for eternity, and submission is a part of that process.
Men… time to put on your big boy undies and admit that the sin problem exists because we abdicated our positional role in the first place. Adam was not “covering” his wife and protecting her, nor was he standing between her and the devil, as he should have been. Not much has changed to be perfectly honest. We men still want the benefits of the position, without the spiritual responsibility and accountability that goes along with it. I have never met a woman, no matter how “liberated”, or “feminist”, who has ever said to me, “My husband wakes the family up for church on Sundays, prays with and for his children, sacrifices and models submission in his home, never yells at me or demands his own way; and I can’t stand it!”. In reality men fall back on positional authority because we’re afraid of being exposed as not having developed true spiritual authority. We’ll bellyache and complain that our wives won’t submit, but it’s generally because we’re being lousy, lazy leaders, who want a wife who will perfectly model Eph. 5:22,23, while we as men conveniently ignore the verse that precedes the instructions to BOTH husbands and wives – “Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ” (Eph. 5:21); to say nothing of that whole loving our wives sacrificially thing. Oh, and while I’m at it, the next guy who whines that his wife won’t submit to him while he’s playing games with impurity in his own life gets my “Dork of the Year” award. Eph. 5:26,27 says that husbands are to love their wives in such a way that he is “cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, and to present her…, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless.” If we’re not modeling purity and righteousness as men in our homes and lives, knowing and living the Word, loving sacrificially, and teaching submission by modeling it first, we’re almost certainly bringing the problem on ourselves. If you’ve been married any length of time, your spouse is to a large degree a product of the person she’s married to. No man, in any position, should ever require someone to follow, before they’ve clearly modeled requirements of the position for them. That’s true in the military, the workplace, and certainly in the home. If you want to lead, then truly lead, but don’t disqualify yourself from being a leader, and then object that you’re not being followed.
O.k., am I right or off base here? How do you see it? Please no knee-jerk “You don’t know my situation” responses. If the truth has been distorted, let me know where – just not why you’re the exception to it.
Dave
Saturday, July 31, 2010
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I’m not sure that submission is a product of the fall – can you support this premise with some scriptures? I view it almost oppositely. It appears to me the most pure relationship model we have is the Trinity, and it seems the Trinity is infused with mutual submission. So perfect relationship could be infused with mutual submission, deference and trust. My own experience bears this out also – when Robin and I completely submit to each other, our relationship feels more holy than when submission is off – and it’s always been my fault when it’s been off.
ReplyDeleteOne thing that I’ve been thinking about lately is the unconditional sacrifice of Christ and the conditional submission of the church and how that might correlate to marriage, using Paul’s analogy in Ephesians. When the husband leads through submission and sacrifice, the wife subsequently and conditionally submits based on the husband’s behavior. Christ went first – the church could not come to Christ without his sacrifice first. When a husband goes first, a wife often cannot help but follow. Paul argued that husbands should lead like Christ. So, I’m thinking lately that Christian men demanding their wives’ submission, without first behaving like Christ, are sinning by trampling and abusing their wives. God asks for my submission to be freely given – it is a gift I give, not one he demands; I feel it would be sin for me to demand it of my wife. How could I force something from my wife that even God himself does force from her? Demanding submission is an oxymoron. From a father’s perspective, husbands sinning in this way probably angers God greatly as these wives are His daughters.
Actually there are many scriptures that illustrate this, beginning with Gen. 3:16 – “your husband… will rule over you.” That was never said by the Lord prior to fall, and it is abundantly clear by the context of the passage that this is a by-product of sin: “I will greatly multiply Your pain in childbirth, In pain you shall bring forth children; and your desire…” I would agree that mutual submission, as modeled by the Trinity, is what we should strive for, but the submission I’m speaking of (that which proceeds from the fall) is precisely compulsory submission. It was rebellion and self-will that got us into this mess, and submission is a mechanism by which the corrective processes of God can work in our lives. Read 1Peter 2:13,14 and it becomes clear that the submission spoken of there is 1.) required whether freely given or not, and 2.) meaningless apart from the fall of man (“those who do wrong”). Romans 13:1-5 also illustrates this, as does Romans 8:7. The mutual submission and surrender you speak of are only possible because of the work of Christ on the cross and the coming of the Holy Spirit (think “because of your hardness of heart”), but that does not negate the fact that after the fall, human authority over other human beings appeared for the first time. Of course it should be freely given and seen for what it is, but that does not mean that if I don’t feel like submitting (joyfully doing so), I don’t have to.
ReplyDeleteHaving said that, I completely agree that demanding submission (in marriage anyway) is a distortion of the model of Christ. Beyond that, there is absolutely no biblical injunction to men to compel their wives to submit. But the flip side of it is this (and perhaps the salient point of the blog) – that submission is not conditional, nor is it negated, by man’s imperfection. Would (for example) you counsel a woman that Eph. 5:22,23 does not apply to her if her husband does not model submission, or love her sacrificially? The answer is of course “No”; I’ve had women attempt to use that logic and my consistent response has been to tell her that the command to both husband and wife stands regardless of what the other one does. Now, if you’re asking, on a practical level, if those things matter, then I would say (as I did when speaking to men in the blog) “Of course” – but again, I would say that to the offending party. In this example, I would say to the husband that he is bringing the problem on himself by his refusal to imitate Christ. As a man, I am required to love sacrificially regardless of the actions of my wife. In fact, to truly imitate Christ is to love sacrificially and then to have that trampled. I think we would both completely agree with that. So my responding question is: “Is the command to the wife to submit conditional or unconditional?”. I think to “water down” the command to women, while requiring men to model theirs to the fullest, sells women short.
Yikes Dave! Christ paid the price.
ReplyDeleteNot sure which Dave you’re responding to, but I think I speak for both of us when I ask how your comment is relevant to the discussion. Neither a husband or a wife can evade the responsibility to walk according to the will of God by implying that since Jesus paid the price, it is unnecessary (which you seemed to be saying). No one has suggested that the call of Christ on husbands and wives is propitiatory or salvific. At the same time, Jesus’ sacrifice in no way negates our responsibility to imitate and to obey Him. Just because Jesus did His job doesn’t mean we don’t have to do ours!
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